Hi, this is Chuck Rosenberg, host of the Oath Podcast. I am pleased to announce that we are back with season 4.

During our first three seasons, I was privileged to introduce to you fascinating leaders from the world of public service.

In season 4, you will meet more great public servants. We have an incredible lineup.

My guests are men and women of integrity, civility, decency, humility. They have a sense of collective responsibility.

And each took an oath to serve and defend the Constitution of the United States.

Solom promise not to a particular person or party, but to bear true faith and allegiance to our founding charter and to its principles.

Our democratic institutions are continuously being tested. That's always been true.

But our compact holds and our nation moves forward and the promise of the oath and the people who serve, well, they are more important than ever before.

This season, I am honored to bring you a long-form interview in two parts with an American hero, Robert S. Moller III.

Perhaps you only know Bob Moller from his role as the special counsel in charge of the investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election and the report that bears his name.

But Bob has a long and honorable legacy of service to our nation. Over half a century and an incredible story.

He is the oldest of five children from a loving family, the only boy and a star three-spore athlete.

As a newly minted Princeton graduate, Bob volunteered for service as a Marine Corps officer in Vietnam following the tragic death of a Princeton lacrosse teammate and a friend in that war.

Bob describes his service in Vietnam as fear of letting his men down. His receipt of the bronze star in the purple heart and later, after law school and several turns as a federal prosecutor, his service as the sixth director of the federal Bureau of investigation.

And we're seeing can happen in Vietnam is to fail. It's failure is synonymous with death. The Marine Corps is entrusted to you as their leader. They look to you.

I also sat down with Anne Milgram, the brilliant and engaging former Attorney General of New Jersey, and reformed the police department in Camden, a city that had a soaring crime rate and a desperate need for thoughtful and enlightened leadership.

It's a huge failure. If a police department says to me, we did a great job. There was a homicide. We caught someone. That's a failure. The great job is to prevent that homicide.

The great author Wallace Stegner said that our national parks of the best idea we ever had, absolutely American, absolutely democratic, may reflect us at our best rather than our worst.

John Jarvis came up through the ranks of the National Park Service, ultimately serving as its director for eight years, helping to preserve these magnificent national treasures and to tell our American story.

The National Park System reflects us. They represent our most extraordinary natural landscapes and our most important moments in history. And by protecting them and passing them on to the next generation, we are giving a gift to that generation.

Mike Bush rose through the ranks of the New Zealand Police over four decades of service to become its commissioner. His oath, of course, was to the Queen of New Zealand and not to the Constitution of the United States, but his magnificent home country has a sophisticated and progressive approach to policing. And that holds important lessons for us.

Our oath is that we keep the peace and we prevent offenses against the peace as opposed to the visible presence of fighting crime.

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