Hi, this is Mark Garrison.

I'm here with my former adversary, now good friend, Matt Murphy,

for our new podcast, which Matt doesn't like the name, by the way.

We had to kind of twist his arm.

It's called In the Well.

And Matt, without giving me kind of a five-minute lecture,

can you tell me what In The Well means

and why you're not a fan of it?

I do like to name. It goes back to the old ancient law where in the olden days for the audience,

you had to be a flail distance away from the judge. So the bailiff needed to be able to stab

you with a spear so you couldn't get too close to the judge. And the area between council table

and the bench is called the well. And every young lawyer, myself included, has their first or second

time in court, they will make the mistake of walking in the well. It's like the forbidden part

of the courtroom where nobody's supposed to go. How many times have you seen a bailiff reach for

his gun when you kind of step a little too close to the well?

I went on a dive trip last year and there was a German judge on the boat with me and her husband was an avid fly fisherman,

constantly fly fishing all day. And he was the nicest guy in the world and he was always telling us fly fishing stories.

And she would sit down and she

would say old men are full of stories and that's basically you and a ma mark we're all

men we're full of stories and we're going to share those as we go through the interesting cases

of the day but if nothing else mark if nobody listens to us it'll be super fun for me so i i agree

i'll talk to you anytime.

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