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Hello, Waves listeners. June Thomas here.

Hi-Fi Nation, a podcast about philosophy told in story form,

has recently published two really fascinating episodes exploring the conflict between trans rights advocates and some feminists.

In the first part, which you can hear after this introduction,

host Barry Lamb examines the historical origins of the conflict by looking at a single event

involving two women in the 70s, one of whom founded the gender abolitionist wing of feminism,

while the other founded transgender studies.

That event and those ideas help us to understand the stakes and contentiousness today.

For part two about the metaphysics of gender and for more great episodes,

please go to the High Fine Nation feed. That's HIPI Nation.

Enjoy. HiI. Nation. Enjoy. From Slate, this is HiFi Nation. Philosophy in story form. Recording from Vassar College, here's Barry Lamb.

Right now it takes a lot to change your gender legally in the UK.

You have to live for two years as the gender you want the law to recognize,

and that has to be somehow certified.

You have to get two diagnoses from doctors that you have gender dysphoria

disorder. And if you're married, your spouse has to consent to the gender change. Then everything

has to come to a government panel, the gender recognition panel, and they get to make the final judgment.

All of this might change, or it might not.

Last year, the UK government opened up the law to debate,

and it's considering whether self-identification is enough

to get a gender change certificate.

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