Introducing: At Liberty

Nobody Should Believe Me

True Story Media

True Crime, Personal Journals, Society & Culture

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🗓️ 22 May 2025

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

Seventeen. That’s the number of states suing the US government to end federal protections for disabled individuals. 880 billion. That’s the amount of money that Congress is primed to cut from Medicaid funding. One in four. That’s the number of adults in the US who report having a disability. The math, well—it isn’t adding up. This week, W. Kamau Bell is joined by advocates Zoe Brennan-Krohn and Nicole Jorwic to discuss the current state of disability rights in the US, how we got here, and what a just, equitable system could look like—both for individuals needing care and their caregivers. Zoe Brennan-Krohn is Director of the ACLU’s Disability Rights Program and Nicole Jorwic is a disability rights activist and the Chief of Advocacy and Campaigns at Caring Across. At Liberty is a production of the ACLU, and hosted by W. Kamau Bell. This episode was executive produced by Jessica Herman Weitz and Gwen Schroeder for the ACLU, and W. Kamau Bell, Kelly Rafferty, PhD, and Melissa Hudson Bell, PhD for Who Knows Best Productions. It was recorded at Skyline Studios in Oakland, CA. At Liberty is edited and produced by Erica Getto and Myrriah Gossett for Good Get. *** Listen to At Liberty: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/at-liberty/id1396174920 Donate to the ACLU: http://www.aclu.org/action Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	True Story Media.
0:09.3	Hello, it's Andrea, and we've got something special for you today.
0:12.7	An episode from our friends at the ACLU's fantastic podcast at Liberty with W. Kamal Bell.
0:20.2	And our very own superstar, Mariah Gossett, is also a producer
0:23.7	on the show. Now, we are big, big fans of the American Civil Liberties Union over here. We are actually
0:29.5	partnering with them this month with more than 1.1 million members, 500 staff attorneys,
0:35.3	thousands of volunteer attorneys and offices throughout the nation,
0:38.3	the ACLU is at the forefront of fighting government abuse and defending the freedoms we all hold
0:43.8	dear. We love that. And something we care about very deeply over here is rights and protections
0:49.3	for disabled folks, which is the subject of today's episode. The news is overwhelming right now to put it mildly,
0:56.4	so I really love at Liberty because it makes the issues accessible and importantly
1:00.6	tells you what you can do about them. So go check out their other episodes wherever you listen
1:05.4	to podcasts, and while you're at it, head over to ACLU.org back slash action to donate and or volunteer with the ACLU.
1:13.1	We will be back next week with our conversation with Dr. Mary Sanders about the Rady Children's
1:17.9	case, and we are less than a month away from our season six premiere. And once again,
1:23.5	you will get all eight episodes the day of launch if you subscribe on Patreon or Apple Podcasts.
1:28.6	You'll also get access there to our twice monthly subscriber-only show,
1:32.0	nobody should believe me after ours, where we are talking this month about the notorious
1:36.1	Elizabeth Finch. And with that, here's at Liberty with W. Kamal Bell.
1:43.2	Just a quick reminder that my new book, The Mother Next Door, Medicine, Deception,
1:48.0	and Munchausen by proxy, is on sale right now wherever books are sold. The book was an Amazon
1:54.2	editor's pick for nonfiction, and the Seattle Times called it a riveting deep dive into MVP.
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