The infinite space people went to and broke the earth about a little as there's

serene in the assurance of their dominion over this small thinning fragment of solar

driftwood which by chance or design man has inherited out of the dark mystery of time and space.

So Brian you got in touch and you said that you've only really shared your story amongst

family and very close friends. So I don't know how specific you want to be with you know where

these things took place that's always up to the guest as far as specificity of locations

but you can even see just the state if you want but yeah let's jump in and let's talk about what

went on with you and your family. Yeah so I mean the stuff it's still so fresh in my mind

channel that was 20 years ago. I think the spring actually something started and it was in

Grand Rapids, Michigan. I had recently got married and there's a lot of little things that

happened up front that you know I can just kind of I can talk to them up to full incidents or

you know some natural law and at the time I was a I wouldn't say I was agnostic at best maybe

Asia. I didn't believe in any type of afterlife and I was you know very cynical and skeptical

when people talk to both spirits or ghosts or things of that nature. It scared off the first

incident that occurred I was in a head of six condol and Greg downtown Grand Rapids, Michigan

and I was told it was just dating my time my my living with them to your wife and it was

me sour. Our son was born yet for a three son's or with their father for the weekend so this was

a very small condo but we were 20 floors up so you know we didn't have I threw nothing out from

that in the condo there was no past three I think and when I was covering something felt like a hand

went redder on my slimmed wrap it like firm and I yelled I looked out I yelled at Karen at the

time my my life that's life now and he was in the kitchen and so you know well it couldn't

be anything maybe I just I was I just talked up to natural law maybe full water hit my foot when

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