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Into the Abyss - Snap Classic

Snap Judgment

Snap Judgment and PRX

Snap, Glynn, Storytelling, Wnyc, Society & Culture/personal Journals, Performing Arts, Washington, Society & Culture/documentary, Arts/performing Arts, Music, Arts

4.811.2K Ratings

🗓️ 17 April 2025

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

A rookie pilot, a prominent politician, a cop, and a criminal find themselves enduring freezing temperatures in the remote wilderness after their plane crashes in Northern Canada. 

A huge thank you to Erik Vogel, the late Larry Shaben, and his daughter Carol Shaben for sharing this story with Snap!

There is so much more we are not able to share with you about Erik and Larry’s experience. To find out more about what transpired with Wapiti Flight 402, checkout Carol Shaben’s book, “Into the Abyss,” from Grand Central Publishing.

Special thanks to Nikka Singh for his help with this story.

Produced by Bo Walsh, original score by Renzo Gorrio, artwork by Teo Ducot.

Season 16 – Episode 16

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0:00.0

Snap Studios

0:02.0

If you're lucky, very, very lucky, you get to grow up with siblings that you, for lack of a better word, you love.

0:29.8

And growing up, I didn't say, hey, knucklehead brothers, I love you.

0:37.5

But in time I've come to realize that I do, in fact, love them.

0:44.0

More than love them.

0:46.3

And there are lots of horrors associated with trauma.

0:50.1

I know this, but the gift of trauma at an early age is that it forges a type of sibling relationship that sometimes I don't see from families that had an easier go of it.

1:05.3

I've witnessed brothers, grown men who grew up together in the same home after a long time apart, greet each other by shaking hands, by nodding hello. What? Those of us that emerge from trauma households, we greet each other with bear hugs, jumping on each other's

1:29.0

backs, suplexes, and atomic wedges, every touch, every smack upside the head, a reminder,

1:35.9

a celebration that we made it through. And my brothers, they both passed on too early, far, far too early.

1:48.0

But if I get to see them again in the next life, one thing I can absolutely guarantee is that day.

1:59.1

That day, there won't be no shaking hands.

2:03.0

No polite nods, no way.

2:05.0

There will be joy.

2:07.4

And for everyone

2:08.6

that has been to the

2:10.6

edge and looked over,

2:14.0

the Dan Snap judgment,

2:15.9

we proudly present

2:17.0

into the abyss.

2:21.8

My name is in Washington.

2:24.2

And if you've never dipped your siblings' hands in hot sauce while they were sleeping,

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