Into Quicksand: Kate Amber on How Cults Pull You In

A Little Bit Culty

Sarah Edmondson & Anthony “Nippy” Ames

Education, Society & Culture

4.6 • 3K Ratings

🗓️ 24 April 2023

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp.

Landmark Worldwide is a corporation that offers personal and professional development programs with a total of over 2.4 million (!) past participants in 21 countries. Yikes on bikes—that sounds a bit like NXIVM on steroids. Well, while Landmark isn’t technically a cult, it certainly is “A Little Bit Culty”, with no shortage of spirit-stomping coercive control and intimidation in order to create “A world that works for everyone by 2020.” Wait, is that how 2020 went and we’re just misremembering it?!

Today’s guest, Kate Amber, survived Landmark and went on to become a badass expert on violence and abuse prevention after receiving her education from UPenn and the University of Salford. She’s also gone on to create the PsychoSocial Quicksand Model™—take a listen to learn all about it, as well as the time she challenged a Landmark leader, and how she eventually got out, even if she didn’t 100% want to (at the time).

Oh, and would you believe she has a Keith Raniere overlap? What a small, culty little world we live in.

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Please note, this series includes details of sexual abuse. Listener discretion is strongly advised. If you, or someone who know, is a survivor of sexual assault, abuse, grooming, child abuse, or human trafficking, RAINN’s National Sexual Assault Hotline offers support at 800.656.HOPE (4673).

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0:00.0	The views and opinions expressed by a little bit cultier, those are the hosts,
0:03.4	and don't reflect the official policy or position of the podcast.
0:06.6	Any of the, quote, fire content provided by our guests, bloggers, sponsors, or authors
0:11.5	of the opinion and are not intended to malign a religion, a group, a club, an organization,
0:17.3	business individual, anyone or anything, unless they're...
0:20.2	You're a douchebag.
0:20.9	Yeah, we're not doctors, psychologists, therapists, licensed counselors, or shamans,
0:25.6	even though you kind of think you are sometimes.
0:27.3	I'm like an urban shaman, okay?
0:29.2	Good talk.
0:39.3	Hey everybody, Sarah Edmondson here.
0:41.8	And I'm Anthony Ames, aka Nippy, Sarah's husband, and you're listening to a little bit
0:47.2	cultier, aka a LBC.
0:49.8	A podcast about what happens when devotion goes to the dark side.
0:53.2	We've been there, and back again, a little about us, true story, we met and fell in love
0:58.3	in a cult, and then we woke up and got the hell out of dodge.
1:01.6	And the whole thing was captured in HBO,
1:03.6	DocuSeries The Vow.
1:05.3	Now, in its second season.
1:06.9	I also wrote about our experience in my memoir, SCART,
1:10.0	the true story of how I escaped Naxeam, a cult that bound my life.
1:13.8	Look at us, couple of married podcasters who just happen to have a weekly date night.
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