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You are listening to The Next Best Picture podcast, and this is Will Mavity's interview

with the Oscar-nominated makeup designer for The Whale, Adrian Marat.

Do you ever get the feeling?

People are incapable of not care.

People are amazing.

All right, so Adrian, you've done a lot of effects, makeup, work, but this was particularly audacious by the looks of it.

How much prep time did Darren give you?

And what were kind of the early conversations like when he was like, hey, I want to do this

very, very aggressive makeup-based production?

The very first conversation, so Darren gives me a call. And he's, he's like, it was right at the

beginning of the pandemic. So, and Darren, like, if you, I don't know if you know his movies

a little bit and follow, like, who works on his movies, but he always works with the same core group of people.

So whether it's me, his makeup artist, uh, DOP production designer and stuff.

So he goes like, Adrian, we, this is shit time.

This is why this is part of that's me. Those are my worst. That's, those are bad times.

And with the pandemic, but we have a golden opportunity in the sense that every one of

our group is available because all of their production that we're working on, I've been

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