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Interview with Susannah Cahalan

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Otherworld

Society & Culture

4.83.4K Ratings

🗓️ 23 June 2025

⏱️ 73 minutes

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In this episode, I sit down with Susannah Cahalan—American journalist and bestselling author of Brain on Fire, The Great Pretender, and most recently, The Acid Queen. We discuss her harrowing experience with anti-NMDA receptor encephalitis, a rare brain inflammation that led to seizures, vivid hallucinations and hospitalization during a month long psychotic episode. This ordeal that ultimately sparked her deep interest in psychology and neuroscience. Susannah also shares insights from her latest work, offering a compelling look into the life of Rosemary Woodruff Leary, a central figure in the 1960s psychedelic movement and the wife of Timothy Leary from 1967 to 1976. Check out our Merch⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow us on:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ For business inquiries contact: [email protected] If you have experienced something paranormal or unexplained, email us your story at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected] To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:12.0

In this episode, I will be interviewing journalist and author Susanna Cahelan.

1:17.2

She has written the books Brain on Fire, The Great Pretender, and most recently The Acid Queen,

1:23.2

which is about Rosemary Leary Leary, the wife of Psychedelic Pioneer Timothy Leary.

1:29.1

Susanna's first book, Brain on Fire, My Month of Madness, is an autobiography,

1:34.4

and it details her battle with a rare form of encephalitis called anti-NMDA receptor encephalitis.

1:43.1

To put it very simply, in her early 20s, Susanna was going about her

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