You are listening to The Next Best Picture podcast, and this is Dan Baer's interview with the director for everybody, Julie Cohen.

Society generally considers that biological sex is cut and dry.

Actually, it's not cut and dry.

We don't fall neatly into that male-female box.

I was born intersex, and although I was born with a vagina, I was also born with internal testes.

We live in a society that's so binary.

So it's an intersex person. Where do I fit?

Welcome everyone to the Next Best Picture Podcast podcast where we are talking with Julie Cohen,

the director of the new documentary, Everybody.

Julie, thank you so much for joining us today.

Great to be here.

I'm really excited to talk to you about this film because I think for most people,

we have so little knowledge of intersex people and the

history behind this medical sort of phenomenon. And I was wondering what your knowledge of intersex

people was before you embarked on this project.

Yeah. My knowledge wasn't huge, but it wasn't, it was like pretty good by overall standards,

as I now understand, because as I've been talking to people over the past, you know,

a couple of years working on this project, I realized how many people just have no idea. I did understand what it means to be intersex. I didn't know that much about

the history, and I certainly didn't know about the growing and blossoming intersex rights

movement, which ends up kind of being the heart of the story of the film. Yeah, and I had read that the idea for the film came about while you were doing research in the NBC archives,

and you would come across an old Dateline program, which you had produced about David Reamer.

You had produced a Dateline, but not that specific story.

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