Hey guys, welcome back to preview lions podcast. I'm so excited about today's conversation that we are going to,

we're big fans, and you guys have probably seen her post on Instagram because a couple of them got around but I feel like the same motherhood, you know, kind of algorithms here, but I have Esther here of Golden Tears therapy and we are going to talk about actually one of those post-part emotions we don't talk about.

So welcome.

I'm so glad we finally got to connect.

Thank you so much for having me.

I'm also excited to be here. You know, I resonated so much with a lot of what you are

thankfully putting out on the internet as someone who is in the maternal hospital space of just kind of saying the things that, you know, it's if I find it motherhood and post-prime pregnancy, it's sometimes we just want to hear the positive and then like when you see someone like mention

Yeah, I feel like that too or I'm struggling with that too. It really resonates of honesty and

vulnerability. So before we dive in, can you tell our listeners about you, what brought you to this space and kind of why this is your passion?

Yes, my name is Esther Kalman and I'm a perinatal psychotherapist in San Diego, California.

My private practice is completely online, so I work from home.

And the reason why I'm working in this field probably it's very similar to many

other clinicians who have also experienced some sort of perinatal mental health

challenges so my story is also very personal.

When my son was born 12 years ago, I've gone through, besides from being a brand

new immigrant to the US and just going through the

culture shock, being in a brand new relationship, marriage, just getting used to and

adjust it to this new world that is so different from where I was born and raised in Hungary.

So that and on top of that having a baby and being completely here by myself I didn't have any I still don't have any family here.

It was it was just like if someone would have thrown it into this deep cold water and it was really challenging and I guess part of the healing process is always, as we say, the meaning making, you know, finding your purpose in your sufferings.

In very specific terms we call this also post-traumatic growth, right?

But basically that's how I decided to go back to school,

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