You're listening to the Hartman podcast, reclaiming biblical masculinity in a world of solviles. If you ask the majority of evangelical leaders or pundits on Christian media platforms today,

they'll tell you that the main problem with the church is that it's a white patriarchal man's country club.

The only problem with this type of rhetoric and thinking?

Well the data is clear.

The situation within the walls of the church is exactly the opposite.

The American church is at least 60% female in composition.

Men aren't coming to church and they haven't been for at least a century.

How did we get to this point in the American church?

Why are the church pews so full of women and repulsive to men?

Why aren't men coming to church? Why is the presence of men, the

essential, the essential marker of the health of the church and yet our

churches don't have men and we ignore this problem.

How can we reverse these trends?

Well in this episode I'm going to delve into these very important questions

with David Murrow. David is the author of the book Why Men Hate Going to Church.

Well welcome to the Hard Men Podcast. I'm your host Eric Khan, and today we are joined by a very special guest. We have Mr. David Murrow. He is the author of the book, Why Men Hate Going to Church. David, thanks for joining us in this episode today.

Glad to be with you.

So David, first question, as I read the book, I was thinking, what were you doing before you wrote

this book and what got you interested in the subject matter of why men are not going

to church?

Well, I'm a television producer and writer by trade, and one time I was sitting in church

and I realized that if my church was a television show, it would be on the Oprah Winfrey network.

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