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Thank you. Hello everyone and welcome to Moms and Murder, a true crime podcast featuring myself, Mandy, my dear friend Melissa.

And today, only today, we have a very, very special guest.

We've been talking about this for at least a week or so.

Ad nauseum, really. Yeah, we did mention this on our last episode last week.

So today we have none other than Josh Mankowitz.

How are you today, Josh?

I'm great. Happy to be here. Yes. We're so happy to have you. Thank you so much for coming on.

We absolutely love Dateline. We love you. We have a ton of listeners who are huge fans of the Manx. Yes.

Yeah. So this is a real treat for everyone and we just can't wait to put the episode out and yeah have our listeners hear from you yourself so do you have a

preference on what we call you Josh Mangowitz Manx sir Manx a lot anything work for you

any of those are fine.

When my brother, when my brother had his daughter, they named her Josie Jolie, because, and then they

went through this big thing with me about how, you know, we want people to be able to call her JJ as she gets older because we think that's a good nickname. I'm like, yeah, well, you know, great, except she's going to be called Mank, which is what all other Mank. But up to you what you name her. If you try and force a nickname early on, maybe it'll stick. We've all been known at one time in our lives or at all times in our

lives as Mank. But Mank or Manks, I don't hear Sir Manks a lot quite as often. I can make it

happen for you. I will make it happen. Yeah, whatever you guys want to do is fine. Perfect. So we'll

get right into some questions with you if you are good with that. Sure. The big question is, of course, how does a story come to you? How do you get one of your stories? Do you have the victim's family reaching out to you, or are you and your producers actively looking for these stories, combination? I would say that the victim's family reaching out to us is the least likely way in which

we get stories, the least common way.

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