You are listening to The Next Best Picture podcast, and this is Will Mavity's interview with the co-directors for Citizen Ash,

Sam Pollard, and Rex Miller.

Everything is concentrated on the Razors Edge, and you forget the score, you forget where you are,

I feel that my body's floating within myself.

Arthur Ash, bright young member of the United States Davis Cup team.

We were climbing the ladder of inclusion, and here was this guy in this Lilley-White institution of top-tier tennis.

Arthur was trying to figure out how he could help.

That would be consistent with his life as a tennis player.

Some people think we're all brown and no brains.

And I like to fight the myth.

Arthur Ash, that conjured up.

A whole image.

He started becoming a citizen of the world.

Arthur S.

The first black fair was in the men's

Wimbled and Singress title.

He had evolved from someone who was analytical

to someone who became more about direct action.

When you brushed away the gentility, his statement would be more militant than mine.

His contributions became a guide of what other black professional athletes could accomplish.

AIDS became another fight for Arthur, and he picked it up like he did every other cause.

I just think about all that he did and with such purpose and determination. He never forgot about his race and when I say his race, I'm talking about the human race.

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