Just when you think you've heard everything about DeFi,

along comes another protocol claiming to do it even better.

And that might be accurate when it comes to Ava.

Stani Kulichoff of Ava joins us today to share the vision of the platform

and how some are developing Tama Gachi-like NFTs in the DeFi world.

So let's jump down the DeFi rabbit hole once more

and toss some NFTs in while we're at it.

See how far they fall.

Open up and say,

Ava for episode number 495 of the Bad Crypto Podcast.

Five, four, three, two, one,

two, three, two, one.

Is it snowing where you are?

Well, I don't know if it's snowing where I am either,

but this is the Sunday show.

And it's supposed to be snowing in Denver today

or we're recording some Thursday

because Sir Lowell Travis Wright is going to be on an aerial plane

to the Ukraine, the Ukraine.

Right.

Yeah.

And then I'm going to go to the Mexico

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