is now is Michael Voris and his website is church milton is it church militant.com Michael?

Yes it is David.

Okay, good.

So thank you for joining us.

I mean, there's a lot of issues to be discussed.

I was just talking about it.

One of the things that, and I had didn't have you on throughout the pandemic, it had been a while.

I think we had been talking, I think, about I got you on to talk about, since you're Catholic,

to talk about the Pope and what he was doing with environmentalism at that point, because that

was kind of a novel thing when he first became Pope. So it's been a while since we've talked,

but, you know, it just bothered me to no end to see what happened during the pandemic with people shutting down and following

the government's orders. I've never seen such a faithless church in my life, as I would say,

the Church of America in general. And there's a lot of faithful churches that stayed open and other

individuals who did. Some people were gaslighted by the government. And then after a couple of months, they opened up, and many of them stayed firm, and they took a lot of penalties on that.

So, you know, hats off to them.

They were told that it was one thing, that it wasn't, and when they realized that was a fraud, they did whatever they needed to do.

How do you view this, and what have you been seeing and saying over the last nearly a thousand days here with this stuff?

Thanks very much again, David, for having me on.

Well, you know, one of the things in the thing in the Catholic world is this has been the whole question of closing down the churches,

because in obviously Catholic theology, while God's grace is not limited or confined

to the sacraments, they are the guarantee of God's grace. So the fact that you, for example,

because bishops all over the country, all the bishops, like shut down the sacraments,

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