He just told me he couldn't hear the Supremises.

He loves that group, but he didn't get the audio feed of the music coming out there.

Jack Lawson, publisher of Civil Defense Manual, the two-volume book that you can find at civil defense manual.

So we talk about here frequently.

It covers so many different topics.

But, you know, today we've got a lot of different topics to talk about here because there are so many different threats on the horizon.

And they're all escalating in so many different ways.

So joining us now is Jack Lawson.

Thank you for joining us, sir.

Always a pleasure, David. Always a pleasure. Good to have you on. Let's talk a little bit about, you know, the first time we ever

talked. Let's begin with what happened with AT&T last week. Because the first time we ever talked,

we talked about how fragile the infrastructure is. And so, you know, we had the cell phones go down. And

part of that was, as I talked about last week, the effect that happened was it grounded a lot of transportation, a lot of trucking was shut down because it created complications for them and dispatchers and other stuff like that. So we see over and over again how an attack on some ancillary part of the infrastructure.

For example, the pipeline, the colonial pipeline, they shut down their accounting system.

So then they shut down the pipeline.

No oil is moving if we can't get paid for it.

You shut down things like the cell phone system.

And of course, they have a lot of different apps.

Many truckers depend on when they are running that.

So you just shut down all the shipping.

So it's very easy to shut down stuff like this.

You've been looking at this.

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