all right joining us now is an author of many books i've seen his name many different

places but you've got a brand new book out untenable the true story of white ethnic flight

from america's cities his name is jack kachel sorry and uh rhymes, as he said, with Dashel, if you remember that guy from politics.

But anyway, Jack Cashel is with us.

And we want to talk about this, and it's especially relevant based on what has just happened in Supreme Court decisions.

Tell us a little bit about it, Jack.

Right.

You know, because I had basically,

I'm just going to show you the book here. It's untenable. I grew up in New York, New Jersey,

during the fall of Newark, and I watched it firsthand. And what I was able to come away with

was a experiential reaction to what I was seeing.

This is in the 60s and 70s.

And then when I read the Supreme Court decisions, which I did, which is hard to read because

they're, they, the absence of facts sort of pound my fact-filled brain like waves against the shore by

Katanji Brown Jackson and Sotomayor is that they deny this happen.

They insist that all of the disparities between white and black income are rooted in the past and

rooted in, you know, Jim Crow, slavery, et cetera, the Homesteading Act.

I mean, they're throwing all these things up against the wall, but neither of them, hence,

at the reversal that occurred in black fortunes during the 1960s and that has continued

to occur to this day.

Yeah.

And it's an amazing kind of denialism.

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