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🗓️ 10 March 2023
⏱️ 42 minutes
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A court case in California could force death doulas to become licensed funeral directors. We talk to the doula and the lawyer taking on California's Funeral and Cemetery Bureau.
Episode Guests
Akhila Murphy is one of the original co-founders of Full Circle of Living and Dying, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit located in Grass Valley, CA. She is a trained End-of-Life Doula and After-Death care educator. Currently she serves on the board of directors for Full Circle of Living and Dying as Founding Director and Co-Chair President.
Ben Field is an attorney at the Institute for Justice, a national nonprofit public interest law firm that fights to secure the constitutional rights of all Americans against abuses of government power. A major part of Ben’s practice is protecting the First Amendment rights of people to speak freely in their occupations and without fear of government retaliation. He is counsel to the plaintiffs in Full Circle of Living and Dying v. Sanchez, a landmark case challenging the California Cemetery and Funeral Bureau’s restrictions on the rights of end-of-life doulas to provide advice and guidance to families about end-of-life care.
Episode Resources
Defending Your Right to a Good Death
Full Circle of Living and Dying
Episode Credits
Hosted by Caitlin Doughty
Guests Akhila Murphy and Ben Field
Produced by the Order of the Good Death,
Sarah Chavez and Lauren Ronaghan
Edited by Alex de Freitas
Music by Kissed Her Little Sister
Podcast artwork by Jessica Peng
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0:00.0 | We do talk about all those options as well when we talk with clients. |
0:04.1 | We let them know completely what they're going to get at a mortuary. |
0:09.2 | But also we understand that people don't know that they have the option to do some things |
0:14.4 | in their home with their loved ones. |
0:16.8 | And so for people like Akila and the dual-as-it-full circle, the regulatory scheme is a complete |
0:22.4 | mismatch for what they're doing. |
0:24.0 | And it just doesn't contemplate families wanting to do something different. |
0:30.0 | Welcome to Death in the Afternoon, the podcast from your favorite funeral reform nerds |
0:37.4 | at the Order of the Good Death. |
0:38.9 | I'm Caitlin Dodie, Founder of the Order. |
0:41.6 | And today's episode is one I'm extremely excited for because I've been following this |
0:45.9 | case for several years. |
0:48.6 | For my entire career in the funeral industry, my quote-unquote authority to act as a funeral |
0:54.2 | director and funeral home owner has come from one place. |
0:59.4 | California's Cemetery and Funeral Bureau. |
1:03.0 | That's the same cemetery and funeral bureau that in 2019, filed a citation against full |
1:09.7 | circle of living and dying, a group of death duals in Northern California. |
1:14.4 | Akila Murphy and Donna Pyser were told that unless they planned to become licensed funeral |
1:19.6 | directors in the state of California, the work they were doing, helping families before |
1:25.0 | and after death, was illegal. |
1:28.4 | So with the legal help of the Institute for Justice, including lawyer Ben Field, the |
1:34.3 | duals fought back, filing a civil suit against the cemetery and funeral bureau, Akila Murphy, |
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