Tonight, we're not analyzing a traditional police interrogation.

We're stepping into something just a little more unsettling.

This is a convicted mass murderer sitting across from a cigarette smoking journalist,

not confessing, not apologizing, but being performative.

This is Charles Manson in one of the most infamous interviews in all of television history.

Welcome to the global phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor, where we bring you the best guests in awe of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award winning journalist Joel Walton.

What's up, St.S. Nation.

Welcome to Survive and the Survivor, the global phenomenon, bringing you the very best guests in all of true crime.

And tonight, it is a tradition unlike any other that we have begun here at

STS. We sit around a roundtable and talk about police interviews that are fascinating to us.

And I'm going to tell you who does that and why we do that.

But tonight is definitely something a little bit different. There is no interrogation room, no detectives.

Instead, this is a late night television studio turned psychological battlefield.

We're breaking down the chilling 1981 interview. That was one year before my bar mitzvah back on June 26, 1982. This was 1981. I must

have been in seventh grade, I think, maybe sixth grade. And the interview is between legendary

broadcaster Tom Snyder back in the day where they all smoked cigarettes and what in the most

notorious killers in American history, Charles Mans smoked cigarettes and one of the most notorious killers in American

history, Charles Manson and here to help dissect it.

The man who did a documentary on Charles Manson himself, Eli Frankl, the multifaceted Hollywood

producer, who is also the author of this very heavy book, Sisters in Death,

the subtitle, The Black Dahlia, the Prairie heiress, and their hunter.

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