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Stuff They Don't Want You To Know

Interview: Rip Current, with Toby Ball

Stuff They Don't Want You To Know

iHeartPodcasts

Society & Culture

4.211K Ratings

🗓️ 23 January 2026

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

Have you heard of the California Timber Wars? In tonight's interview, returning guest Toby Ball, the creator of Rip Current, joins the guys to explore the 1990 pipe bomb attack on radical environmental activist Judi Bari. It's a deep, strange tale involving powerful corporations, grassroots activists, allegations of terrorism, COINTELPRO and more. Tune in to learn more about Rip Current… and why this bombing remains officially unsolved in the modern day.

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0:00.0

From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is riddled with unexplained events.

0:06.5

You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know.

0:12.0

A production of IHeartRadie. Hello, welcome back to the show.

0:28.7

My name is Matt.

0:29.7

My name is Noel.

0:30.8

They call me Ben.

0:32.2

We're joined, as always, with our super producer, Dylan, the Tennessee pal Fagan.

0:37.0

Most importantly, you are you.

0:39.3

You are here.

0:40.3

That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

0:44.2

Friends and neighbors, fellow conspiracy realists,

0:46.5

we have something special for you tonight.

0:49.4

It is a strange, deep, disturbing,

0:52.8

dare I say, Shamanalan-esque, Cohenesque, co-intelpro-esque tale that may not be

0:59.1

familiar to everyone in the audience, the California Timber Wars. Have you heard of it? Maybe,

1:05.2

maybe not. In the 1980s and 1990s, activists hoped to end overcutting of redwoods throughout, well,

1:14.7

redwoods in particular timber in general throughout parts of California.

1:19.6

And there was a particular organization involved in this called Earth First with an exclamation point.

1:26.7

They took direct actions. One of the leaders of these

1:30.3

efforts was an activist named Judy Barry, who, well, we'll get to it in a second. It's a deep and

1:37.1

crucial story that is yet to be told in full, luckily gentlemen, friends, neighbors,

1:42.5

countrymen. We are not diving in alone.

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