Well, joining us today is Robert Bortens.

He's the author of Woke and Weaponized, how Karl Marx won the Battle for American Education.

He's also the CEO of Classical Conversations.

And if you are involved in homeschooling, you've probably

heard of this. As a matter of fact, many of our friends did classical conversations, and they loved

it. So we're going to talk to him about that as well. So we'll give you some tactics for how you

can do it. And we'll also tell you what the other guys, what their designs are for your children,

which will hopefully inform you to go in a different direction, whether you take classical

conversations or not, but it is a great alternative to government schools.

Thank you for joining us, Robert.

Yeah, thanks for having me on the show today.

Excited to be here.

Well, thank you.

I was excited to see that your co-author was Alex Newman. I've talked to him many times about education. And, of course, he's written books about that as well. I love every time I talk about education, I use the analogy that Alex Newman did. He said, the schools are like a burning building. So the first thing you want to do is get your kids out of there.

Second thing you want to do is put out the fire because it's going to burn down our entire neighborhood.

And I think that's one of the best analogies I've had for what the issue is and the approach that we should take to it.

So we're going to talk about this way that people can get their kids out of this burning building

and teach them themselves with classical conversations. But we're also going to talk about

the fact that this is burning down our society. And that's really what I think your book is

about. Woke and weaponized how Karl Marx won the battle for American education. Tell us a little bit about what Marx wanted from education

and what he is getting out of our government schools.

Yeah, so the whole intent of the Marx is to remove children from their families

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