Hello, hello, hello, everyone. Welcome to Burn It All Down.

Lindsay Gibbs here. And for our interview this week, I'm so excited to have Julie Cleggman, the copy chief at Sports Illustrated.

Julie, thank you so much.

We finally have you on Burn It All Down.

Yes.

Thank you so much for having me.

It feels way overdue.

So today we want to talk about Leah Thomas and also where the NCAA stands right now in terms of regulations for transgender athletes.

This is a topic that's been in our burn pile a lot lately, but there's been so much going on that,

I mean, for my benefit as much as anyone, I thought it would be good to kind of break things down,

simply talk through the timeline, because it's really important policy stuff that's happening

right now. And there are a lot of people who don't want us to pay attention. So it's important to

pay attention. Julie, first of all, just like start with the basics.

Who is Leah Thomas?

And like when did she start making headlines?

I think a lot of people have heard the name in passing a lot now.

But like who is she?

And what are the main things people need to know about Leah?

Yeah.

So Leah is a swimmer for Penn on the women's team. She is

transgender and previously she had swam on the men's team. She started making headlines. I feel like

it was a couple months ago now, but, you know, earlier in the swim world, for sure,

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