INTERVIEW: Isaac talks with Haviv Gur
Tangle
Isaac Saul
4.8 • 672 Ratings
🗓️ 26 May 2024
⏱️ 94 minutes
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Summary
I spoke with Haviv Gur, an Israeli analyst who — in my humble opinion — is one of the deepest thinkers covering Israel, Palestine, and the conflict between the two. Gur disagrees strongly with my call for a ceasefire, and his arguments are the best I’ve heard. He spoke at length about how a ceasefire would harm Palestinians more than Israelis, the issues motivating Hamas, the state of Islam in the region, the current dynamics of the war, what the Palestinians are owed, and how we might get to a more positive, constructive future for Israelis and Palestinians alike. It was a long, thoughtful, challenging conversation.
You can watch the video of my interview, in its entirety, here.
Also on our YouTube channel, Isaac went to the University of Pennsylvania to witness and report on the protests. 12 hours later, the police tore down the encampment. Hear from Pro-Palestinian and Pro-Israel protesters, and see the footage of the campus here.
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| 0:34.7 | This is, without a doubt, one of the most interesting, challenging, engaging interviews that I think I've ever done. |
| 0:49.3 | I've been wanting to bring on this guest for a very long time to the Tangle podcast because he makes |
| 0:56.2 | me think in a way that adds depth to issues that are happening in Israel, to what's happening |
| 1:04.2 | in Gaza, to the Western American media, to the way that Americans view issues that are taking place in the Middle East. |
| 1:14.8 | Simply put, and I don't, you know, I don't want to do too much gassing somebody who I disagree with on some things. |
| 1:22.6 | But I can't stress enough just how thoughtful I think Havivgar is and just how considerate he is with his |
| 1:30.6 | words. He describes himself early on in our interview as somebody who's deeply confused. And I know |
| 1:36.6 | why he says that. I understand why he's deeply confused. I don't think he's confused. I think he's |
| 1:43.2 | deeply educated. And I think he's confused. I think he's deeply educated and I think he's very thoughtful and I think |
| 1:49.5 | he's conflicted and I think that comes out in some of his commentary and some of the ways that he |
| 1:54.5 | answers my questions. During this war in Gaza, I've brought on several guests who have come on as Palestinian thinkers, |
| 2:05.0 | Palestinian activists, who have come on to give the Palestinian perspective. This is the first time |
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