Joining us now is George Barna.

This is a very familiar name to Christians.

He has been the, he's the founder of the Barna Group, a market research firm that has

specialized and looking at what is happening to our culture and to Christians in general, the intersection of faith and

culture. He's been doing this for quite a while. He's written a lot of books, and he's got a new

book now talking about perhaps what we can do about some of the worst problems and maybe

really the core issue as to the direction that our country has been going down.

So I want to talk to him about that book, but also kind of get an idea of what he has seen

with a front row seat since the 1980s in our country.

Thank you for joining us, George Barner.

Thank you for joining us, George.

Yeah, thanks for having on, David.

Let's talk a little bit about that. Give people kind of, we all see what is happening to our

culture, this detachment from reality, this postmodernism, and all the rest of this stuff.

But give us some metrics, let's say, that you would have seen as part of the Barna group

over the last few decades?

Yeah, there have been a number of things that I've been tracking for about four decades.

You know, one of those has to do with people's perspectives on truth, and what we've seen is a consistent deterioration of the notion that there is absolute moral truth, that there can be such a thing as absolute moral truth.

So that's a big issue because when you take that out of the equation, you've got to go somewhere to get your understanding of reality.

And rather than go and search

for any kind of absolutes what we do is we turn inward and that's what's happened in America is

now rather than say that we believe in God basically what we do is we believe in ourselves.

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