All right, welcome back. And joining us now is, I guess we've had on many times always

enjoy talking to Goat Tree. He works in the cybersecurity area, and he is, I think you call him a

white hat guy that is protecting against the black hat guys.

In other words, a business will hire him to try to find vulnerabilities and warn them before the bad guys do it.

So joining us now is Goat Tree.

Good to have you on Goatree.

Thanks for joining us.

Hey, good morning, David.

What's on your mind today?

Oh, man, everything.

You know, you've got a great show rolling today.

And, you know, I was listening and I was thinking, you know, failure's good.

It's really good because a lot of this that you were talking about has failed and I hope

it continues to fail even though they're promoting it like it's on the horizon. Yeah. Oh yeah,

absolutely. Yeah, I'm happy to see these self-driving cars fail but you know what they don't care

there's there's several articles out from mainstream media in the last couple of days saying

well uh whether it works or not we're gonna we're gonna equip the semi trailers to be self-driving

it's like you've already seen it doesn't work. You've already seen how bad it is in San

Francisco and other places like that. And you've had to stop these experiments. So now what you're

going to do is you're going to fail up. I mean, this is, this is ridiculous. They keep taking

it up to bigger and bigger things to fail. Well, I mean, but they'll promote it as a success. I mean, you know, one of the things I've really got to chuckle about,

and everybody's panicked about it. Well, you should be panicked about it, but, you know,

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