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Hello, this is Matt from the Explorers podcast. I want to invite you to join me on the

voyages and journeys of the most famous explorers in the history of the world. These are the

thrilling and captivating stories of Magellan,

Shackleton, Lewis, and Clark, and so many other famous and not so famous adventures from throughout

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podcast. Hello, everyone, and welcome. For the interview you are about to hear, I spoke with Suzanne Rico, who has released a new podcast called The Man Who Calculated Death.

It released a few days ago, and the first episode is available now.

During our chat, we discussed the path that Suzanne took while uncovering her family's history,

a history that involved the German scientist, Robert Lesser.

I found the conversation interesting because Suzanne was working through a problem that is

in no way unique to her or her family.

A family members whose experiences and actions were critical to their family history, but who also

supported and acted in concert with a very bad group of people, the Nazi party.

Everybody's relationship with history is different, and the actions of family members in

the past can be approached differently by each person.

But what happens when you dig back into that past

and find out that your grandfather, your great-grandfather,

your uncle, your aunt, your grandmother,

or any other relation,

was maybe just a person who made a lot of bad choices.

What if they were a bad person?

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