wording on my end because rather than pre-talking, perhaps you can explain to me and the audience

what's happening here. Okay, my project is that I'm an artist. I live in Norway and I've had

this idea that I want to make portraits of people I find interesting that have interesting

intellectual mental lives, uh, not just, uh, yeah,

well, yeah, uh, and, um, portraits historically in art history is, you know, the visual, the face, the, you know, all this external looks.

And I'm interesting what's going on inside the mental landscape of people and the idea is to try to manifest that through a conversation instead of, yeah.

Sounds interesting. I'm game. It reminds me of James Joyce, had a very expressionist

portrait painted of him once that was very abstract, and someone showed it to his father,

and his dad said, i see james has changed

in the years since i've known him so i don't know what this is going to look like but hey i'm game

let's try it very good um yeah we can we can talk more after i think it's better if i can explain

more after. Yeah.

So my video is off and you can have your video on if you want to.

It doesn't matter because I'm just going to look at the drawing.

And then I'd like you to start just talking about your relationship to sound and music.

Where would I even begin? Well, okay, I've certainly never been asked that question before.

What can I say? I am not primarily an audio-centered learner. I don't think I understand or experience the world primarily

through my audio faculty, but I do, of course, appreciate music. And I think that, for some reason,

that always strikes people as funny, or they never ever peg me for that. I've always had

hipster friends who are always,

you know, interested in the latest band that no one's ever heard of and what have you. And

they generally will scoff at my lack of musical knowledge. But when I like something

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