Hello and welcome to another episode of Interregnum with Richard Seymour.

I spoke to Richard about his recent blog post on the so-called lockdown sceptics,

and in particular the work of Toby Green and his book, The COVID Consensus,

The Global Assault on Democracy and the Poor, a critique from the left.

We talked about the straw man arguments, factual inaccuracies,

and conspiratorial thinking that characterised the book and the lockdown sceptic literature more generally.

We also talked about why parts of the left have been receptive to some of this work and also what to make of the alliance between some self-styled anti-woke leftists and religious conservatives.

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Richard Seymour is an editor at Salvage Journal and the author of many books including

Unhitched, The Trial of Christopher Hitchens, The Liberal Defence of Murder, Corbyn, the Strange

Rebirth of Radical Politics, and most recently The Disenchanted Earth, Reflections on Eco-Socialism

and Barbarism. So Richard, you recently wrote a blog post titled Did the Lockdown's Work,

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