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the Hello and welcome to another episode of Interregnum with Richard Seymall.

I spoke to Richard yesterday about Britain's new Prime Minister, Liz Truss. We talked about how she

might govern, her likely response to the cost of living crisis, and how she's far from the

obsessive ideologue she's portrayed as in some quarters. We also talked about the devastating

floods in Pakistan and about the death and legacy of the late Soviet leader, Mikhail Gorbachev.

So we now have the result of the Conservative Party leadership election, and Liz Truss will,

as was widely expected, be the new Prime Minister. Now, the last time we talked, you were

pretty scathing about Trust and you argued that the Tories were making a mistake in removing

Boris Johnson, a politician with a very particular populist appeal, and an ability to weld the

quite fractious conservative voter coalition together, which none of the other leadership candidates

seem particularly likely to emulate. Have you seen anything during the campaign to suggest

that trust is a more capable politician than you previously thought?

No.

First of all, I do want to claim victory.

I said early on, right from the start, this is going to be trust.

And Seymour was right, and I don't often get to say that.

Right.

So first of all, her management of the campaign shows her to be what was

pretty obvious. She's not very bright, but she's got cunning. She has a certain sort of opportunistic

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