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Coffee House Shots

International statesman or 'never here Keir'?

Coffee House Shots

The Spectator

News, Daily News, Politics

4.42.2K Ratings

🗓️ 6 January 2026

⏱️ 18 minutes

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Summary

From 'regime change' in Venezuela to Russia's war in Ukraine, the Labour government is trying to navigate complicated situations across foreign affairs. Having appeared to weather the domestic reaction to the situation in Venezuela, Keir Starmer is in Paris today to discuss Ukraine alongside Chancellor Merz and Presidents Macron and Zelensky. This is undoubtably important – but to what extent will this fuel the criticism that the Prime Minister spends too much time abroad? And how can Starmer reconcile the demands of foreign affairs with his domestic priorities? James Heale and Tim Shipman join Patrick Gibbons to discuss.


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Coffeehouse Shots, The Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast.

0:09.2

I'm Patrick Gibbons, and today I'm joined by a political editor, Tim Shipman, and Spectator Youth, James Heel.

0:15.8

And what's the cutoff for youth?

0:18.4

Well, it's one of the Peter Hitch necessities.

0:20.1

Basically, after a Christmas video in which I was, shall we say, misled somewhat by our religious affairs editor, Damien Thompson, who said that Peter once hosted the Generation Game. And I went, oh, really? I've now got Peter on Twitter saying, what are the daft things do you believe about me, James? well, that's for youth. There's one of us wearing a puffer jacket and it is not

0:40.6

James Hill, who is in a very elegant Czech suit, 30 going on 60, you might say.

0:47.4

What does that mean about you, Tim? It means I'm desperately clinging on to a long

0:52.7

forgotten past. Well, speaking of clinging desperately onto past lorries, the Labour Left was in revolt about the Venezuela.

0:59.3

Do you ask the question, Patrick?

1:00.1

Yeah, a segue worthy of Oscar Edmondson in yesterday's podcast, James.

1:04.3

Thank you.

1:04.9

It's catching on.

1:05.7

On Venezuela, we've obviously had some, you know, updates internationally.

1:08.8

Delci Rodriguez has been sworn in as the interim president

1:11.3

and with the scenes of Nicholas Maduro appearing in a court in New York. But here in the UK,

1:16.8

we had Foreign Secretary of Keupers' statement in the Commons where she announced that she

1:20.8

spoke to Rubio and had raised the prospect of international law. You both spoke to Oscar a bit

1:26.3

about the balancing out the Starma governments played on this. Has the government weathered this so far as a result of yesterday? I think so because the three main parties are all bit tongue-tied when it comes to this question. I think if you'd said in an ideal world, could you get rid of Majuro tomorrow? They all have said, yes, but if you could do it in this way or maybe not so much. So really, yeah, I mean, Hovec Cooper gave the statement to the House of Commons yesterday. There wasn't much in a way of sort of real, people asking questions, lots of asking questions, but not actually sort of real opposition, apart from sort of Richard Bergen, who shrews who stood up and gave the obligatory socialist campaign group message, which was that, it was the Prime Minister undermining the UN, etc. And the Charter? And what's more?

2:03.8

Can we be like, Venezuela? Well, well, that was the Vecuper's response, effectively, was I remember when he was signalling support for Maduro's regime. And, I mean, the real reason, of course, why they're not saying anything is because we have very few cards to play, and when they do play them, it's about Ukraine.

2:17.6

So that's very much the focus of the government right now.

2:19.7

That's what they're keen to talk about. It does, though, of course, raise the question, which is when we did this podcast yesterday and we had, you know, Mike Tapp and, for that matter, Matt Vickers, representing the government and opposition, respectively, on the media rounds talking about Greenland

2:32.8

to being unable to answer.

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