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Welcome to Late Night Woman Zahn.

Who have we got round the table?

Let me tell you.

Writer and broadcaster, Sally Hughes,

the author of the book's Pretty Honest and most recently,

Our Rainbow Queen.

Hello to you.

Hello.

And Miranda Sawyer, broadcaster and writer.

She writes on music and radio for The Observer.

She's also the author of Out of Time. Welcome. Thank you very much. I'm not reading you on radio. I'm just talking to you on it. It's brilliant. Let's get cracking there. Miranda, you are going to kick us off with a juicy one. Unresolvable disputes in long-term relationships. Yes. Okay. So can you tell I'm writing a book about long-term

relationship? So what I wanted to do was talk about the arguments that kind of last the whole

of your relationship. And I don't mean bickering. Bickering is quite sweet. Bickering can be about

anything really. You know, it can be like what you're about to have for tea, you know, the fact that you've got to go to your mother-in-laws, you know, it's just general chit-chat bickering, really. And we

know this also, because if you look at bickering into kind of films, bickering is often presented

as the kind of precursor to a romance, right? Long-term disputes are different and they are harder to deal with. And what they are about is things that

you just fundamentally disagree on. And it might be, you know, I know of people who say, for

instance, have got different political views and they don't want to talk about that. But it's

even more fundamental than that. It's things like money, how you bring your kids up. It can be

also things like who does what around the house. That's an absolute

classic one. But there's also a really great one which is taste. So taste around your house.

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