We are continuing our series with part three on Interdependence and this is a candid conversation getting to the heart of understanding each other’s traumas in order to resolve conflict. We began with Interdependence Expert & International Trauma Facilitator, Thomas Hübl, whose new book is titled, Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma—and Our World. Here I continue the discussion with a friend and often collaborator with Thomas, William Ury. I often bring on past guests for this part three segment, but William is actually a future guest. We spent three hours together recently and I discovered he and Thomas were more than well acquainted and had done much together. William Ury is one of the world’s best-known experts on negotiation, and the co-author of Getting to Yes, the world’s all-time bestselling book on the topic with more than 15 million copies sold. He’s a co-founder of Harvard’s Program on Negotiation and has devoted his life to helping people, organizations, and nations transform conflicts around the world, having served as a negotiator in many of the toughest disputes of our times and consulted with the White House, the State Department, and the Pentagon. His upcoming book you can preorder now is titled, POSSIBLE: How We Survive (and Thrive) in an Age of Conflict, and we’ll be digging into it here on the show in the coming weeks. But these two men, Thomas Hübl and William Ury are called on by countries and organizations around the globe to bring peace to relationships, whether nation to nation, or person to person. You can watch this full episodes on YouTube - just search for “What Drives You with Kevin Miller” What Drives You is brought to you by Ziglar, your premier source for equipping Life and Leadership coaches. Visit Ziglar.com and let them inspire your true coaching performance. *This podcast is rated clean but the subject matter is adult themed and may not be suitable or relevant for children or those with fragile belief systems.  Head to airdoctorpro.com and use promo code KEVIN and depending on the model receive UP TO 39% off or UP TO $300 off! Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at shopify.com/kevin Use promo code KEVIN today at shipstation.com to sign up for your FREE 60-day trial. Visit Audible.com/whatdrivesyou or text whatdrivesyou to 500-500. Go to HelloFresh.com/drivefree and use code drivefree for FREE breakfast for life! Go to Seed.com/DRIVE and use code DRIVE to get 25% off your first month  Visit BetterHelp.com/WHATDRIVESYOU today to get 10% off your first month Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices