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Hello creatives. I'm Duranna Penn. And this is episode number 692 of the podcast, and it is Thursday, 11th of May,

2023 as I record this. In today's In-Betweeney-Sode, I interview Stephen Marsh about how he co-wrote

death of an author with AI tools. We talk about which tools Stephen used and how he used them, the importance

of specificity in prompting and why those who know what they want and have experience with

writing have an advantage, why the intellectual process of writing is more important than the

mechanical process, why co-creating with AI is like

being a hip-hop producer on various things on copyright, and how authors might approach co-creating

with AI if you want to work with traditional publishers, plus what remains the same despite

advances in technology.

So I love Stephen's attitude about intentionality and authorship over the mechanics of text

generation, which I really like that idea.

And I also enjoy his creative confidence, as he says, I'm just going to make this stuff

and see where it goes. And that's how I feel.

I want to stop talking about it and get on and do it. I will still be talking about it, obviously,

but I'll also be getting on and doing it. What's also funny is that when I started the introduction,

and initially he thought perhaps he was chatting with a robot. We were audio only and I have this

podcast voice. I used to do the introduction that you will obviously hear and he was a bit

confused. So I left that in. I asked his permission if I could leave his confusion in as it's

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