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Hello and welcome to Spycast from the Secret Files of the International Spy Museum

in Washington, D.C.

I'm Peter Ernest, the Executive Director of the Museum. I served for some 36 years in the

Central Intelligence Agency largely as what is called an operations officer or a case officer. Every month will be bringing you interesting talks with visitors, with authors, with others

who have something to do with the world of intelligence and espionage. Intelligence and Espionage.

My guest today is Burton Gerber.

Burton Gerber was a career officer of the Central Intelligence Agency.

He spent his years there in the clandestine service, the Director of Operations, to the

greatest extent on the Soviet Union and other satellite countries. He served as the Chief of Station

in several of those countries, including Moscow. And in his latter last tours in the agency he was a policy advisor to the Director of Intelligence on human requirements, that is human intelligence requirements.

Since then he's been quite active as a lecturer. He has written

extensively and lectured on ethics. He is currently a lecturer at the Georgetown University. His course is very popular on

intelligence issues and we are delighted to have him here with us today.

Thank you very much Peter. I'm delighted to be here.

And I'd just like to mention that we usually don't set our interviews in time, but I'd like to do it now

because today is the 25th of September. So we are in the run

up to the election. We are all looking at the fact we owe something like 700 trillion

dollars as taxpayers in the years to come. But I mentioned this specifically because

Burton has been very concerned, I think, as have many professional intelligence officers,

with the reforms in the intelligence community, formation of the

of the DNI, Director of National Intelligence, and also reforms within CI. And I

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