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Welcome to episode four of the rabbit hole detectives. A podcast where I, Dr Cat

German Richard Coles and Charles Spencer chase the provenance of historical objects both real

and metaphorical. Each episode we set one another the task of finding out as much as we can

about a particular subject to present a comprehensive understanding of the origin stories of stuff.

After all, everything has a history. It just depends on how far down the rabbit hole you prepared

to go. And at the end of it all, the disembodied voice pronounces a winner. So hello again,

Rebecca Tollies. How was your one today? Oh, very good. Very good to be, but I quite look forward

to these. I have to say, you know, at first I thought it would be fun, but it's much more than that.

It's quite stimulating. It is isn't it? And you have to sort of get yourself prepared,

and then it never goes quite where you expected it. Well, isn't that the thing? I mean, it takes me

back to tutorials a very long time ago. We just talk a lot without knowing very much.

I've made a career for 40 years. It's a key, isn't it? As long as you know, just a few things

to hang your hook on. That's it. Hang your hat on. And also, there's that kind of little

things, isn't it, at the edge of the main narrative, the interest unit catcher? Well, historians

always do that. But the stuff you take away, I mean, you know, the time Cat told us about the bones

of Waterloo being dug out. That's so fascinating for fertilizer. You know, things you just have no

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