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I'm Dr. Vince Houghton, the Museum's historian and curator.

Every week, the museum brings you interesting conversations with authors,

scholars, and practitioners who live in the world of global espionage.

Join us as we take a senior fellow at the National Security

Archive.

He focuses on National Security Affairs, including foreign affairs, intelligence, and military subjects.

He also heads the Archives Intelligence Documentation and Vietnam projects.

He holds a PhD in Political Science, focused on international relations, from Columbia University, and is the author of more than 20 books in all, in fact 29, along with many articles and papers.

His research centers on subjects including the National Security Council, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Vietnam War, an analysis of international relations plus diplomatic and military history in a general sense.

His books include the Family Jules, the CIA Secrecy and Presidential Power,

Safer Democracy, the Secret Wars of the CIA, Vietnam, the history of an unwinnable war,

and William Colby and the CIA, the Secret Wars of a controversial spymaster.

Among his books on Winneable War, Keepers of the Keys, which is on the National Security Council,

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