Hello and welcome to Wisewalkers I'm your host Ronald Fell Jones.

This is the fourth full episode of the Wise Talkers Podcasts.

Unlike two of the first three episodes, it features an interview that I conducted more than

40 years ago when I was hosting a bi-weekly live interview show called World Views on KVMR Radio in Nevada City, California. a repackaging of my 1979 interview with Pulitzer Prize winning poet Gary Snyder.

The other repurposed interview was the focus of my most recent Wisewalkers episode,

a 1981 conversation with death and dying trailblazer Elizabeth Kubler Ross.

Now if you listen to that addition and to my comments in the epilogue to the interview,

I remember that I said in preparing this episode I found myself quite moved by

getting reacquainted with Kugler Ross and her work and I say that it seemed to me to be a

valuable exercise to view the many interconnected crises and

predicaments we are facing today, individually and

collectively, through the lens of what I termed the Elizabeth Kubla Ross

radically enlightened understanding of death and dying.

And in closing I said that I will likely be exploring

this idea in future editions of Wise Talkers. So I restate all that now to introduce

this new episode which I've titled Integrating Spirituality and Psychotherapy with Dr. Ron Mann.

This edition features a 1981 interview with Psychotherapist Dr. Ron Mann, which is an almost

too good to be true follow-up to the Elizabeth Kubla Ross episode.

First I interviewed both Ron and Elizabeth in the same year, but more important, Ron's life and work was

profoundly affected by Elizabeth when he took her

renowned and widely acclaimed workshop Life, Death and Transition in Hawaii

about five years before our interview.

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