I'm Adam Manus, and I'm Peter Martin, and you're listening to the You'll Hear at

podcast. Peter Martin. And you're listening to the You'll Hear It Podcast.

Today we're going to continue our Instrument Spotlight series with the instrument that can really make or break any band, and that's the drums.

That's right.

The drums can truly make or break.

Well, the drummer can make or break any band, like physically, usually, your life, you know. No, I mean, the drums, I mean, of course, we think everything's important, but I mean, the drums truly are crucial. I mean, you could actually, you know, a bad, as much as we think pianists are important. Yeah. I mean, we could just

lay out if we're not feeling it. It's true. It's a bad pianist. But I mean, the drums, they got

to play and they can screw the whole thing up. A bad drummer can ruin your whole night. Right. It's so true. Luckily, a good drummer can make your day. And that's where we're going to be talking about We're going to focus on the positive here.

And yeah, I mean, it's, you know, drummers, I think, you know, for us,

speaking for both for us,

speaking for both of us, Adam, that piano, drum relationship and jazz is such a fun conversation.

It's probably the closest conversation that regularly occurs, you know. I mean, the bass is,

of course, there, but it's so foundational for everyone. It's almost

just like they're laying it down. Have you ever noticed that, like, some of your closest friends, usually your closest friends in music are the drummers? Actually, I have no friends that are drummers. I love playing with them, but I can't stand them. No, of course. No, it is. It's always, like, my tightest relationships are with the drummers in the band. Yeah, and I mean, drummers are often, you know, actually good drummers are usually really good friends too because they've got, again, like we talked about bass players having that foundational personality. Drummers, you know, usually have a really strong friends. They're really good at conversing. They're funny. They're funny. They know how to listen.

They know how to dialogue. All the things that make a great drummer, huh, it turns out in real

IRA, it works too. Drummers are also definitely the band member that you want to go out with

after the gig usually. Of course. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. But let's talk about the role in jazz

specifically. I mean, we did a course with Ulysses Owens a few months ago, and he kind of like did this

amazing thing where he laid out the history of the ride symbol pattern in jazz.

But it turns into this whole, like, kind of the history of the instrument, starting back

with baby Dodds and how, you know, Kenny Clark developed

baby Dodds patterns onto the ride symbol and then how that evolved. It was an amazing thing

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