Welcome to Betrayal Trauma Recovery. This is Anne. I'm excited to have my friend Kimberly Perry here again.

We've had her on the show before. She is the author of Say No and Tell,

training grown-ups in boundariesaries and Personal Safety for Kids.

She's also the author of two other books called Say No and Tell, which I use in my home frequently.

In fact, just yesterday morning, my five-year-old son

pulled it off the bookshelf and said,

mom, let's read this again.

And we read through all eight scenarios.

My kids love the books.

So welcome, Kimberly. Thank you and that really

warms my heart to hear that and that is a real important concept to not only

read the book but then revisit the concepts and especially when it's child-led

that's very inspiring to me.

We love your books so thank you.

So tell me about your new book.

So this is a training work book intended for clergy or children's teachers.

This training workbook is designed for any grown-ups that are working with children within organizations.

However, as you just stated, I've been finding that many parents have been buying the book

trained themselves personally as well.

It can be for youth pastors to train their children's ministry volunteers. You could go and train your karate club and all the

staff members that are working there or a soccer club. Any staff members or

grown-ups that are working with kids with an organization will benefit from this training workbook.

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