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in conditions. Good morning. It is three minutes after 10 and you're listening to James

O'Brien on LBC where there's quite a lot to get through today, some of it inevitably,

perhaps coronavirus flavoured, although I haven't been keeping a close tally, a scientific record.

But I think this might be the first week since, what, March of 2020, where we've conducted

significant parts of the programme without focusing very, very heavily upon

coronavirus related issues. And I don't know about you. And obviously, we might be in another

period of one step forward, two steps back. But the light at the end of the tunnel does seem to be

getting brighter, doesn't it? Getting nearer. I know what you're thinking. It might be a train

coming towards us. But at the moment it still feels, it still looks like a light. And that's got to be a good

thing. That's got to be a good thing. But, as I mentioned a moment ago, the question of getting

the vaccines into the arms of people who are currently unpersuaded is becoming ever more pertinent so much so that

Joe Biden is suggesting giving a hundred bucks to everybody as a sort of reward as the

ultimate carrot isn't it? We in this country still perhaps focusing a little more on sticks

and you can see why but let's let's not go down that avenue just yet. I want to start with

a conversation that we've had on

LBC and on this program many, many times over the years in various different ways. And yet, in many,

in many ways, it hinges on what I think might be a fundamental misconception. And it's a weird one as well because nobody likes to be told

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