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Inside Trump's Pardon Economy

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KQED

News, News Commentary, Politics

4.2 • 726 Ratings

🗓️ 22 May 2026

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Presidents have traditionally waited until their final months in office to give clemency, but just over a year into his second term, President Trump has issued a wave of pardons—including almost 1,600 for January 6th rioters. The New Yorker’s Ruth Marcus says Trump has created a quid-pro-quo “pardon economy,” where pardons are sold for political and personal gain. We’ll talk with Marcus and a former pardon attorney about why they think Trump is setting a dangerous precedent. Guests: Ruth Marcus, contributing writer, The New Yorker Larry Kupers, former pardon attorney, U.S. Department of Justice during the Obama and Trump Administrations Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Of the many ways President Trump has monetized his office and tried to enrich himself,

1:08.8

including settling a lawsuit with his own IRS this week.

1:12.8

One way that's gotten less attention is his brazen use of his pardon power.

1:17.5

Trump has issued some 1,700 pardon since the start of his second term, including more than 1,500

1:23.4

to January 6th rioters who stormed the Capitol and assaulted police officers.

1:29.0

An investigation by the New Yorker's Ruth Marcus also finds that, quote,

1:32.5

in one instance after another, this president has directed clemency toward political allies,

1:38.1

celebrities, and fraudsters.

1:40.9

Joining me now is Ruth Marcus, contributing writer at The New Yorker, whose piece on this is called

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