Inside the Whistleblower Fight: Jordan Flowers on the Real Battle for UAP Disclosure

That UFO Podcast

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Religion & Spirituality, Science, Other, Social Sciences, Society & Culture, Documentary

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🗓️ 20 November 2025

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Andy is joined by Jordan Flowers, Executive Director of the Disclosure Foundation, for a serious and detailed look at the true state of UAP disclosure. Jordan shares how he entered the subject after the 2017 New York Times article, and how his background in finance and consulting now informs the Foundation’s work in legal support, FOIA litigation, policy briefs, congressional engagement, and public education.

The conversation explores whistleblower protection, retaliation concerns, congressional realities, media misinformation, and what meaningful transparency could look like. Jordan also discusses the potential impact of the Age of Disclosure documentary and the growing political capital surrounding the issue.

A clear and insightful episode for anyone wanting to understand how disclosure actually progresses behind the scenes.

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0:00.0	Hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO podcast. Today's guest is Jordan Flowers. He is the
0:23.7	executive director of the Disclosure Foundation, formerly known as the UEP Disclosure Fund, an
0:29.7	organization now operating as a non-profit think tank, legal resource and public education hub
0:35.1	working to advance transparency policy reform and credible discourse around UAP.
0:40.3	Jordan didn't come from the UEP world or UFO world originally, as you will find out.
0:45.2	Like many folks, his entry point was a 2017 New York Times article.
0:50.2	He has a decade of experience on Wall Street, specialising and operational and financial restructuring,
0:55.7	followed by strategic work at McKinsey & Company.
0:58.6	He has been a part of multiple entrepreneurial ventures, passion projects,
1:02.6	and he realised during the COVID time he had a skill set that the UAP community rarely benefits
1:08.4	from structured problem-solving solving financial acumen, organizational leadership
1:12.3	and coalition building as well. And today he applies that background full time to the
1:16.9	disclosure foundation's core mission, policy research, legal work and education and public
1:21.9	engagement. Really looked forward to this interview. I'm glad to have Jordan on. He has not
1:26.5	done many of these interviews. So please sit back, enjoy the interview folks, and I'll speak to you soon.
1:32.3	And welcome to the podcast. Jordan Flowers. Jordan, welcome. Hey, Andy, thank you so much for having
1:38.9	me today. I really appreciate it. And at the outset, I wanted to say that your show and your voice was one of the first that I listened to in this space.
1:50.0	And so that had a big impact on me and kept my interest alive.
1:55.0	And so I just want to say thank you for that.
1:58.0	Oh no, thank you.
1:59.0	Very nice of you to say that, unprompted and not
2:01.5	being paid. So thank you so much, Jordan. That's appreciated. Doesn't mean I'm going to go easier on the questions, but no, I would never do that anyway. It's good to have you on. I know just in speaking to you briefly there, you've not done many interviews before. And that was even something for me when I was looking into a bit of research
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