I wonder how a grocery store works.

I'm Jesse Thorne.

Everyone's kind of wondered something like that, right?

Including my guest, Susan Orlean.

And she didn't just wonder.

She spent six weeks inside a real working grocery store.

To me, that's really fun.

We'll talk about that and her 45 years of brilliant, hilarious nonfiction.

That's Bolzai.

Find us in the NPR app at maximum fun.org or wherever you get your

podcasts. This is fresh air. I'm Dave Davies. Much of the country this week has experienced

heavy snow, sleet, and ice, and some regions will contend with sub-freezing temperatures for many

days to come. Scientists say extreme weather events have become more frequent and punishing with global climate change,

so we thought this would be a good time to take stock of how U.S. policy on climate issues has changed under the second Donald Trump administration.

Trump is a longtime climate change skeptic, known to refer to global warming at times as a hoax or a con job.

His administration has moved aggressively to reverse the Biden administration's climate policies on many fronts.

Our guest today is David Gellas, a reporter on the New York Times climate team who leads the paper's

climate forward newsletter. Before joining the climate team who leads the paper's Climate Forward newsletter.

Before joining the climate team, Gellis spent eight years as a business reporter at the Times,

covering chief executives, tech, media, Wall Street, and other issues.

Gellis has written three books, including The Man Who Broke Capitalism,

about influential corporate executive Jack Welsh,

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