This is Sarah Stewart Holland. This is Beth Silver's. You're listening to Pantsu Politics, where we take a different approach to the news. We're so glad you're here with us.

We're so glad you're here with us. Thank you for sharing some of your time as we process a week of news. Today we have a very special

guest. Former Ambassador Norm Eisen is here to help us continue Tuesday's conversation about ethics and

government and also to share his

impressions from inside the courtroom at former President Trump's criminal trial in

New York.

We're also going to talk about the announcement that the Trump and Biden campaigns have agreed to participate in two presidential debates and outside of politics.

Sarah is going to take us into her neighborhood. If you've been following on Instagram, you know that there are baby hawks.

And that you are on a journey, Sarah, with those

baby hawks.

If you joined us for Tuesday's episode, you know that we have very exciting summer plans.

Every Friday this summer for 10 weeks, we are bringing back the nuanced life. The

nuanced life was another podcast we hosted from 2017 to 2020. It started out

as an extended version of our outside of politics segment and grew into a really wonderful celebration

and commemoration of big and small moments in our listeners' lives and we are delighted to be bringing it back to you for a limited run

this summer. To kick off that limited run this summer.

To kick off that limited run, we're doing a ticketed virtual event on May 30th at 8 PM.

It will be the nuanced life live.

We'll talk about work life balance and take your questions in real time.

Tickets are on sale now and our premium members and paid sub-stack subscribers have a special

promo code for a discount on those tickets.

With a ticket you can join us in real time for the event or watch it on your own schedule and we hope you'll come. It's so much fun when we all get to hang out together in person.

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