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And this week we're going to talk about the trial that Elizabeth Holmes is currently

on. She's the founder of Thronos. She's not in studio. But joining us today is someone who's been

at the trial and on top of this story from the beginning. Aaron Griffith from the New York Times,

welcome to the show. Hi. Thanks for having me. Thanks for being here. So you've been showing up to the courtroom bright and early.

Yeah. So unlike other trials, I mean, I guess I don't have a great sense of how every trial goes,

but this one, it's kind of first come, first serve. It's a very small courtroom, and there's a huge interest in getting in there. And so, yeah, I've been showing up at the courthouse in the dark at 5 a.m. and not even being the first person there in line and waiting for, you know, roughly five hours to start hearing the on the, on the days that we've been in session so far.

So it's, even though the days are ending at two and the trial's only three days a week, the judge set that schedule to make it maybe a little bit less of a burden on the jurors who are going to be doing

this for three or more months. It's still a long days. Right. And the trial is just beginning.

And one of the interesting things about it is we don't see, I don't even even know if we can

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