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Our guest today is Will Hild, Executive Director of Consumer's Research, America's oldest Consumer Protection Agency.

Here is the question that we begin with today. Has the woke movement

in corporate America fizzled out? Or are the diversity, equity, inclusion, corporate cultist

simply rebranding going underground? Well, welcome to this edition of the Federalist Radio

Hour. Great to be with you.

Thanks for having me on. Yeah, absolutely. I guess that really is the question. We've seen a little

sea change, if you will, from corporate America, at least publicly, public facing. A number of

companies have decided, at least they have said, that they're going to

abandon their woke policies, DEI and others like that. But what are you seeing as you keep an

eye on this as a watchdog.

Yeah, I think what's typifying the space right now is certainly a retreat from the high

watermark of wholeness and DEI that we saw probably, you know, two to four years ago.

But if you look at what's actually happening in a lot of these companies, they're trying to just go

underground and maintain a lot of the same activities that they were doing. Now, there's sort of a

generous interpretation of that activity and an ungenerous one. I lean towards the ungenerous one,

but you might assume that given the fact that I'm in the business of fighting it,

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