Welcome to the Vergecast, the flagship podcast of endless litigation.

I'm your friend David Pierce, and I am sitting here down one of the deepest rabbit holes I have

been down in a long time.

So I started reading this book called Riptide, which I bought just sort of on a whim because

it was like on sale for a dollar and it had good reviews.

It's about treasure hunters. So I started reading this book, got very into this book. It's

very good. Highly recommend it. And this has sent me just spiraling in the weirdest, most fun way

on all things treasure hunters and shipwrecks. So there's this great New Yorker story about treasure

hunters from a bunch of years ago. There's a great story for much more recently about shipwrecks. So there's this great New Yorker story about treasure hunters from a bunch of years

ago. There's a great story from much more recently about shipwreck detectives. I've literally,

I bought the game Uncharted to go play it now. I watched the movie Uncharted the other night.

I'm reading about Treasure Hunters. I'm watching documentaries about Treasure Hunters.

This is like a whole universe of basically puzzle

solvers that is full of technology and full of interesting ways that people are doing research.

It's like all kinds of just my interests colliding all at once. And I make fun of my wife all the time

because she loves every true crime show you can

possibly imagine. But I'm realizing that I am falling deep into the treasure hunter world for exactly

the same reason. And it is blowing my mind and it's also the only thing I care about. So if I bring

up treasure hunting 65 times, or if three verge casts from now,

I'm just coming to you from the bow of a ship attempting to find several hundred years

worth of treasure, you'll know this is how it all started. Anyway, as much as I can, that is not

what we're here to do today. Today on the show, we're going to do two things. First, I'm going to talk to

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