Scott, welcome. I appreciate you joining me today. I think everybody wants to know. How does someone go from an average life? We played football at Southern University in South Carolina, living the life that you did into a world of undercover operations that was really living on a razor's edge for a long period of time.

How did that come about?

I didn't have a crystal ball.

I didn't know a lot of those things were going to happen.

But looking back, I've always connected with people, no matter what walk of life.

I was going to college for psychology, and it ended up being my minor.

I had a criminal justice course in college and once I,

as an elective. And once I had it, I was like, man, I really liked this. And then I started taking a

bunch of that stuff. And then I went ahead and switched to my major. And I think pretty much my last

two years of college, I was already bouncing. At a lot of the places I worked, there were cops working outside the door.

They were working their side jobs. So I started getting more FaceTime with cops and getting some training. And once I did it to ride along, I was hooked. What was it about that that appealed to you? Well, it's a calling, first of all. It's a if you're not going into law enforcement for money um you shouldn't be

going into it for like power or stupid things like that it's a calling uh it's a server's heart um it's kind of a shepherd mentality and i guess i've always kind of had that kind of like a bully of of thing. Always wanting to take up for people being

preyed on by not so good people. And then it just kind of kept going. Interesting to hear you say

that, bully of bullies, because you didn't work with just law enforcement. You got involved in the undercover world.

You actually started really working with the most extreme corners of American domestic terrorism.

Most of my career, I worked criminal, not national security. So it was gangs, violent crime,

public corruption, stuff like that, murder for hires, all that crazy stuff.

Towards the end of my career, when Charlottesville, Virginia happened, the pendulum started swinging.

In other words, on the national security side, where domestic terrorism and the FBI was not getting a lot of attention, not getting a lot of funding,

not getting a lot of bodies. In other words, you look at a, you look at a joint terrorism

task force squad. It's broken up between international terrorism, domestic terrorism, and

weapons of mass destruction. It was only like one person working domestic terrorism.

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