Hi, well, welcome down to those history. We've got Simon Jenkins back on the pod. He's one of Britain's leading authors, journalists.

His opinion columns have enlightened. They have persuaded. They have enraged readers for decades.

I remember growing up, I used to read Simon Jenkins and the Times, he's now at the Guardian.

It is a source of huge pleasure to me that I'm now able to interview him on this podcast.

And we're talking about cathedrals. We're talking about Europe's best 100 cathedrals. He's been around them.

He's travelled. He knows these things. Listen to them, and he knows his architect.

He used to be chairman of the National Trust. He's written lots of books on churches and cathedrals in his time.

And this is top 100. So this is a shortcut to life hack. This is everything you need to know.

So I'm very lucky to have Simon on the podcast talking about it. He's just published a big book.

And we go from Durham. We go from Notre Dame, Notre Dame in Paris. And we go to Amier and others.

Will York-Mister be the best cathedral in England? Find out on this podcast.

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here is Simon Jenkins, enjoying. Simon, great to have you back on the pod.

Lovely to be here. Now, is there science here? Simon orders an instinctive,

emotional reflex. What makes a great cathedral?

It's a very good question. I think for me, and I have to stress, I'm looking at a cathedral,

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